I noted in my comments on the petition that Driscoll still hasnt repented before all and specifically to the people whose lives he damaged, such as former Mars Hill elder/attorney Paul Petry, a godly, decent man. stephen is suffering for doing right. And Jesus said He would send the Spirit of Truth, how we deal with situations in truth or deceitfulness is very telling. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . If not, why not? Are we really talking about clerical influence/position/authority and money? Others appear to draw some type of inspiration from Driscoll. He wants to release you from that burden and bondage, they havent asked for forgiveness? When and where did this start? Thanks for sharing your perspectives Abi Mia and Nancy, I appreciate that. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. Week of Power with Bill Johnson & Randy Clark Sunday, March 12 - Thursday March 16. Church buildings do not equal Jesus Christ. Albuquerque Blue reminded me of something about mark driscoll during the fall. Remember how everyone always tells Muslims to denounce terrorism and extremism? i was looking for my link to Rob Smiths orphanage and found that he has recently posted a great response to those propping up Mark Driscoll. But the Pipers, Mohlers, Akins and others saw him as someone really catching the attention of the young guystheir followers. I never thought of that but that certainly might be the case. i think bills reply echos mine mostly, if your question is what church should look like if we are all clergy. Mind you I find Driscoll a tool in case I havent made that obvious. I know the utter devastation that these cults can wreak on their members. If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. Six months for Driscoll does not represent later in life, give him another ten or twenty years. Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. FTR Hillsong is also Assemblies of God. i found it impossible to take advantage of people, i found that if i hurt someone even unententionally i couldnt sleep until i made it right. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. )(mark is apparently not impressed with peter baptizing 3,000 followers in one day cause peter isnt able to be made into a complementarian I guess), interestingly mark points out how stephen handled it but not how mark handled slight persecution which was actually not persecution but truth leveled against him) 99,693 were here. This stuff was high on the why we are how we are list back in the day. @ Lydia: The text is not prescriptive. As a result, the IRS has guidelines on their political activity. However, some of his employees and family were taken in by SBTS and seem to be doing ok. IMO, the church as a whole can help to regulate these things by exposing them and explaining how they do not reflect Christ at all. Thank you. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. Pastor John Lindell mentioned that Mark and Grace founded Mars Hill Church eighteen years ago. I admit that I am rather skeptical of James River's reliability now, most of this information was new to me. But that does not restore the trust in the relationship, and trust is the blood of good relationships. This one was different. According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. we will see jesus face to face I dont want you to take your slander etc with you. Do I hope they change? Ok, I looked up Hillsong because I know in the past theres been a bit of controversy about them. Join Us As we Welcome Our Speaker, Apostle Mark Driscoll, The Forgiven. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Forgiveness does not address that issue at all. Im fairly certain MD would enjoy being categorized with a so called revolutionary. I fully understand the depression and near paralysis that comes after leaving a cult. I would argue the reverse. pastors that use their position to wreck peoples lives arent expected to go to jail or show tears publicly and thats ok if its not warranted but it is very reasonable for people to see something, anything, that looks like actual remorse before they think its ok for them to go back to influencing the lives of people. they had a scandal about their homes for helping young women also, financial corruption-ish and not letting the women get outside counseling. @ Gus: Unfortunately, during this difficult season, the focus has been taken off of Jesus and put on me, and that is not what The ROC is all about., http://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/article_8c6b7719-c4af-523b-b3a6-3c6131e32fd3.html. They knew exactly what they were buying. And every Wednesay at 7pm! ++++++++++++++++++. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility. According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. Let's see. #driscollreturns paul most influential christian wrote most books this explains marks love of also writing books, Theyre having new revelations from heaven haha i mean from the internet blogs that they cant escape. The disciples send him off to Tarsus and after that-there was peace for a time in the churches in Judea, Galilee and Samaria.:o). By and large, our local churches have been great examples of staying emotionally connected while protecting one another in this pandemicthis example does not do those congregations justice., I stg we're the dumbest country in world. Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, i tweeted: His auto suggestive words were a dead give away! In his case, trust had to be earned, for obvious reasons. Thats a great question to think about. John Lindell, pastor of James River Church, represents a new breed of reformed Assembly of God pastors yes Calvinism in the Assembly of God! My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. . GW also exports as they seemed to pioneer or at least perfect the concept of having pastors write books for personal profit then when the books sell too slowly, they have the main church and all their friend churches purchase the books in bulk to give away to the congregation resulting in transferring thousands of tithe dollars to individual pastors. We are passionate about . I dont beleive that for a moment. Dont forget his church plant was asked to leave my kids school at the time. Totally. Is that leader with a criminal record hitting on your young teen? Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. Im trying to get people to understand it because theres a whole lot of stuff thats out there thats being said, much of it is just just simply not even close to truth. . Many times it kept me from feeling like I was the only one who could see this stuff or understood how wrong it is. But with those reading glasses they are losing their hipness and relevance and megas feed off of young marrieds with children. What am I saying? your post, and this one i read on facebook yesterday: I then stood up and pointed out that 30 lines below the famous quote All men are created equal the Declaration of Independence refers to Natives as merciless Indian savages. http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/the-dilemma-of-the-fourth-of-july/. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious. Here is the gist of Driscolls message: its all about me and Im a martyr for the faith!, Same old Driscoll, full of male bovine meadow muffins. As I listened, I couldn't help but wonder where things stand between Mark and those he threw under the bus. The introduction sounded like it was coming from a caretaker role. So, where are the reasonable people? Membership Covenants Yep. They were perceived as mediators between the person and Christ. But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. Great comment Bridget. They will promise to give you an authentic community to do life with. BTW they didnt have a head worship pastor. . Was Pastor Lindells statement just a slip or an attempt to rewrite history? and it even works better when there is cheap grace and forgiveness all around. In a statement Monday, the Christian County Health Department said they also received numerous complaints from the community about the services and urged those who attended to monitor themselves for COVID-19 symptoms over the next 14 days. i hope people will go back and read the whole thing if they havent yet. (See screen shot from the church website. This pastor was humble! Barnabus is described as a good man and full of the Holy Spirit. I wonder how much of this concern over gay rights is to deflect people from considering their own deficiencies. James River Church, a multi-campus, 17,000-member megachurch in Missouri, is now fending off strong criticism from the public and health officials after pictures posted on social media showed what appear to be hundreds of unmasked people, practicing very little social distancing packed inside their Springfield location to participate in Christmas @wartwatch Not even the milk toast "We regret if anyone was offended"? . If after many years of that, he wrote a book about how God brought about change within, Id be interested in reading it. But it would be encouraging if they did. This is not a measure of faith. Why am I concerned? Its much harder to leave that way. Robert Morris loves putting his flock under the law regarding Mosaic Law tithing and also under Deuteronomy so he can squeeze out extravagant gifts. Van, I agree with Deb. He needs to clean up the mess that he made. It is affiliated with Assemblies of God USA. So I can see why some churches would want him on board. How far can a pastor go in preaching the gospel when it comes to a political issue? For all the lack of American Idol production values I learned more in that one day of teaching at that little church then I did in all the years I attended Gateway. Oh no. I present to you James River church in Springfield Missouri this past weekend. Maybe Driscoll can do commercials like John McEnroe, i am against that sort of ministry, that sort of authority over people, that sort of famousness, that sort of using the gospel of Jesus to make money and become well known in christan circles, that sort of using Jesus name for any personal gain, that sort of i have special insight from God and heres how much you have to pay for it in my new book, that sort of quit saying i have to be asking to be forgiven if i hurt people that sort of we are all brethren but i am alpha brethren i dont hold unforgiveness toward mark driscoll but i am not for anyone anywhere doing that sort of ministry. 1 point: homosexuality is a sin, according to the Bible, and Christians should vote for repeal. James River Church - Leadership not always what they portray I think the guys a jerk and theres plenty of evidence out there for it. When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. Lindell has expressed his views on the topic before. The question is not, Can he be forgiven? but rather Should he be trusted in a position of power over peoples lives? I would guess that many of the people who have been directly harmed by him have forgiven him. This has nothing to do with the recent downfall of Mark and demise of Mars Hill. It was just a matter of time before New Calvinism found a way to resurrect its leading icon. He had simply accepted the rumors. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. "It is possible for someone who has practiced a life of adultery to stop," he said in the sermon. There is a very strong argument for both priests and politicians to have both life and work experience before they enter the fray, however this is the age of the career priest and pollie. I think MD needs a season in the wilderness to really think things out. . So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. (KY3) - OZARK, Mo. Lydia wrote: Video comes off to me as MD justifying his return to the pulpit. Galatians 5:22-23. Same deal with Driscoll, just a different sound track. Associating with Driscoll might make them feel younger and edgy. Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | Church Sovereign Grace Ministries You will hear the Velcro bar/connect center mentioned several times in each service. The emails we received were similarly written. I felt like an idiot after I said that. It was dingy and old. Far as I can tell Driscoll is arrogant, a lover of money, unholy, not above reproach, etc. I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. He could continue the stance that we could not leave because we were under discipline and offend the large donor, or he could let us leave in peace and not offend the donor. Who would have thought that the message of the Cross for ALL people (the whosoever wills) would be diminished in pentecostal ranks?! no., Thats the crux of the message, isnt it? elisabeth seton wrote: I acknowledge that one persons terrorist can be another persons freedom fighter. But forgiveness doesnt mean the church should open itself to his abuse again no need to return him to the pulpit since he wasnt a genuine minister to begin with; there was no evidence of the call of God on his life given his dismal run as a pastor. God knows that we dont need that sort of ministry again.. where is God in all this? You have no idea how freeing it has been not to be shamed into believing the best groupthink of celebs when in fact, patterns, polity, hierarchical doctrines and associations should have given us pause all along. He was not participating in stonings. The term was invented by Tom Wolfe back in the 70s to describe the superficial gliteratti associating with revolutionary thugs as a way to prove their bonafides. Could Driscoll really appeal to people now using his Macho Man shtick? Missouri has not limited attendance at houses of worship but has advised social distancing. sponge is used as toilet paper. Im really glad that you are reaching out to GW and other exiles. Pun intended. 21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. He doesnt come near to meeting basic societal criteria for a decent person. He threatened to make sure that I could never be in ministry again. CCHD is extremely concerned about the health and well-being of all our community members and particularly those who attended the high-capacity event over the weekend. Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. Hillsongsfounder, Brian Houston, released a statement saying he did not want the 30-minute interview with Driscoll to distract from the larger five-day conference. So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. if mark is not truly repentant, (which is totally conceivable since he has never apologized for anything except being too unkind in firing people and running people into the ground under his God given authority) then this could be compared, (by sin levelers who will be quick to show up here and defend him)this could be compared to Jordan Root getting right back in the mission field and preaching about what happens when women and heathens in the press persecute godly people accused of child porn addictions with no evidence. This is off topic but your question has been the basis of discussion with many associates for the last 6 months, many recently leaving an authoritarian church.
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