This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). . In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. The second death is a second separation from God, not because of Adams transgression (the first death) but because of ones own failure to repent of personal sin. So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. Sorry ladies, you cant actually apostatize from the church, I guess (Someone tell Kate Kelly her excommunication is not valid!). 14:18.) Banishment from the power of God. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: Thus, many would say I fight against the church. (p. 273). Thank you! D&C 133:73 says, These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Humans who never heard about Mormonism will not go there, as tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith said, That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. The conclusion: You (former Mormon), despite being baptized into this church, are not a son of perdition! Outer Darkness. In the parable of the talents, the returning lord instructed that the wicked and slothful servant who hid his talent in the earth be cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. So a heads up, this does not include you or any one who has ever been or will be born on Earth. What is Outer Darkness? Outer darkness is not a kingdom of glory. In Christianity, the "exterior darkness" or outer darkness is a place referred to three times in the Gospel of Matthew (8:12, 22:13, and 25:30) into which a person may be "cast out", and where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Banishment from the joys of heaven. The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). Those who must suffer with Satan for the deeds done in mortality will go with him into outer darkness. The Book of Mormon does not teach the doctrinal truth that hell will end for the majority of those who suffer in the spirit prison prior to being resurrected and entering the telestial kingdom; however, this truth is clearly taught in the Doctrine and Covenants (see D&C 76:3638, 106). J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. In each of the New Testament references to outer darkness, Christ declared the punishment that awaits faithless and wicked people. Source. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21). Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of Godbanished entirely from his presence. Utterly turn against god. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie have rejected the idea that those in perdition can ultimately be redeemed, which contradicts Brighams speculations. Any person who inherits one of the . The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). Christians have debated for centuries the nature of the hell fire of which Jesus spoke (Matt. Meanwhile, sixth President Joseph F. Smith, also taught that a full knowledge of the truth is necessary, adding that not even Judas Iscariotthe betrayer of Jesuswill be destined for Outer Darkness: It is probable that only personages who have acquired similar full knowledge, who willfully and deliberately deny the truth, when they know it to be the truth, can commit the unpardonable sin and become sons of perdition. 22:13-14, D-R.). Those who followed Lucifer in his rebellion in the premortal life and those who in mortality sin against the Holy Ghost are sons of perdition. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. Its just Scary bad. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! . 2:4). Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. The New Testament testifies that there is an actual place identified as hell into which people can be cast, as in the case of the wicked, and from which they can lift up their eyes, as in the case of the rich man, and from which they can be delivered, as in the case of King David. They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. It honors and glorifies Satan. Alma 40. The wicked are cast into outer darkness until the time of their resurrection, Alma 40:13-14. Here is one more thing to think about: I work full time with a Christian ministry aimed at converting Mormons. Yea, Alma wrote, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell (Alma 36:13). outer darkness. 15:29, 35; Alma 19:29; 54:7), sleep of hell (2 Ne. You quoted a website (Wikipedia) which is not doctrine and another website (FAIRMormon) which directly says it is not doctrine. And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195). ( Miracle of Forgiveness 129-30) The Lord Will Judge For persons not to receive forgiveness neither in this world nor in the world to come does not mean that they will be cast into outer darkness, for the sin of murder can be pardoned even though it is unforgivable. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. Okay, so Cain, we have one guaranteed person according to no citation whatsoever. Whether Christians have believed hell to be literal or figurative, the New Testament metaphor of an unquenchable lake of fire has conjured up for believers in the Bible harsh images of souls consigned to never-ending punishment as recompense for their evil deeds done while on earth. It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. Possibly but there is no citation there either. Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. It clarifies how using an obscure quote does not define LDS doctrines or dogmas. Circumcision. 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? Rev. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, this will be a place that even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Additionally it provides helpful commentary on New Testament passages concerning hell. The Lord said no man knoweth So, theres probably a good reason that there is some debate and confusion on it. Therefore the Lord used Satans evil acts to accomplish his own purposes. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. 5:22), and the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone of which the apostle John wrote (Rev. Many of the apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hell is outer darkness; it is the lake of fire; and it is the second death. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. https://www.mormonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Outer_Darkness&oldid=27067. . Mormons believe that only a Son of Perdition will go to Outer Darkness, their version of most Christian religions understanding of Hell. So why dont we get outer darkness too? They are sons of perdition because, Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to open shame (D. & C. 76:35). Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. The manual Gospel Principles sheds additional light: There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. 13:40), cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. Dennis L. Largey was an associate professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University when this was published. Italics in original). 8:13). For example: everlasting fire (Matt. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. He stated that converts made by the Pharisees became twofold more the child of hell than their teachers (Matt. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Ibid.). Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. The Book of Mormon teaches that only through the Atonement of Christ can one escape the damnation of hell. Jacob testified that without the infinite atonement all mankind would be forever subject to the awful monster, death and hell, and thus would become like the devil and his angels (2 Ne. Bad as they may suffer, and awful as their punishment may be, they are not among that group which is to suffer the eternal death and banishment from all influence concerning the power of God (Conference Reports, October 1958, 21). I said: I dont know and he said, How can I find outI just called Spencer Kimball and he told me he didnt know either. No exact details are given. Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. Johns references to the second death testify of its existence but do not offer any explanatory information that instructs those readers who do not already understand the doctrine. Another name for Outer Darkness is hell. 28:2223). Outer darkness is a place reserved for the Devil, his angels, and the sons of perdition. It is an eternal destination, a place where very few (if any) human beings will ever be sent. It must be emphasized that the witness described means that the person has had the heavens opened unto him and has personally seen, and even spoken with, the Savior, and then has turned against Him, bringing him to open shame. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. The Book of Mormon teaches that after death, the spirits of those who "chose evil works rather than good" in mortality will be "cast out . 14:1819). T F It is practically impossible for those who were human to ever be sent to Outer Darkness. He also saw a pale horse with a rider whose name was Death, and Hell followed with him (Rev. Chapter 40. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Why Practically NobodyIncluding You, Former MormonWill Ever End up In Outer Darkness, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). 5:22), as were those who failed to cast away their sins (JSM 5:34; cf. They go too far, and the Spirit leaves themYou cant renew them to repentancyou cannot save them. (Joseph Smith Jr., King Follett Discourse). 25:30). Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. lucifer. A person would have to be very wicked to know the church was true yet still fight against it! Yea, behold, this death bringeth to pass the resurrection, and redeemeth all mankind from the first deaththat spiritual death; for all mankind, by the fall of Adam being cut off from the presence of the Lord, are considered as dead, both as to things temporal and to things spiritual. So get what they deserve. Yet how many sins and wrong choices has every humanincluding me and youmade? - Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. . Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. So, in the Mormon view, none of these so-called polygamist marriages are valid, religiously or legally. And now I say unto you, that mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a never-ending torment (Mosiah 2:3839). 20:1315). One memorable night, he instructed us about the pains of hell. He asked us to imagine being stabbed and having that initial intense pain of the insertion of the knife last for twenty years. Can someone get out of this state of Perdition once they are in it? Your email address will not be published. Here, like John and Samuel, Alma equated the second death with the lake of fire and brimstone. Italics in original). Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. Ball (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2001), 7789. 1. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . 20:14), or the outer darkness (Matt. The Book of Mormon clarifies that the lake of fire and brimstone is a metaphor for the suffering of the wicked. So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. How impossible would it be for a former Mormon (with full knowledge, even!) And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. Big Love's episode "Outer Darkness" Summary: It is not our intention to discuss details of the portrayal of the temple ceremony here. Following this introduction will be a discussion of the usage of these termsfirst in the New Testament, then in the Book of Mormon. 20:6). 1:13), gates of hell (2 Ne. Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. 3. ; Mormon Temple Worship. They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21. 10:28). What is the Book of Mormons contribution to our understanding of the New Testaments teachings concerning hell, or that lake of fire John calls the second death (Rev. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. That night not one boy was interested in going to hell! Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. (Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). Just one sin. Mormons believe that there Prophets are fallible and in no way perfect. At the end of the twenty years, the knife would be withdrawn and again stabbed into us, with the resulting excruciating pain lasting another twenty years; this process would then be repeated for all eternity. Over the 30 years in Christian ministry, I have met many former Mormons who once believed in Mormonism, but none has ever confessed that they still believe Mormonism to be true. Yea, and it bringeth to pass the condition of repentance, that whosoever repenteth the same is not hewn down and cast into the fire; but whosoever repenteth not is hewn down and cast into the fire; and there cometh upon them again a spiritual death, yea, a second death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. But wait! There are three references that connect the judgment with a lake of fire and brimstone, and two references to a lake of fire. However, the use of the word fire in connection with judgment and the torment of the wicked is widespread throughout the Gospels. The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27. If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. Outer Darkness. After inspecting the intruder, the king instructed his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. All missionaries are doing is trying to upgrade people to a premium plan of ruling over planets and polygamy. The term second death refers to spiritual death or separation from God. He also said,I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. Brigham Young University Professor Larry E. Dahl reported: The word hell appears sixty-two times in the text of the Book of Mormon. Your email address will not be published.
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